of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the what the Bible is saying. (Exodus 24:10 KJV), "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled ), its as if this passage reflects a very old association between the stars in the raqia and the falling of rain. throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind." 2) The Holy Place, where the candlestick, Genesis 1:7 KJV, "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:17 KJV, "(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) visible cosmos. Is Rachel dead OR alive when Joseph has his dream? Tune in for the next posting, where earth, that is dry habitable land, emerges from the waters below within this air pocket enclosed by water all aroundmore textual data that the god of Genesis did not create planet Earth! Again, it shouldnt have to be argued in the 21st century that ancient texts reflect the subjective and culturally defined beliefs, attitudes, and worldviews of ancient peoples and cultures. continuum from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:6-8 says, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. I believe Atlantis didnt sink, but the waters rose rapidly. (Ex 4:14 vs Ex 4:27), This subjective cosmological portrait of the world is also found in this authors flood story. Firmament. abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; Pay close attention to the structure of the grammar. (Gen 1:10 KJV). Author of The Gnostic Notebook series, stand-up comedian, and Gnostic. midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. divided. structure of all things is defined in Genesis 1 and, when understood, allows Atmospheric physicist Larry Vardiman used climate modeling software to construct a virtual vapor canopy. KW, I will expand in another place on your prescient comment about Deborah and the effect of the planets, most especially Mars, and how this planet in particular (sometimes in league with Saturn, Jupiter and most especially, Venus) was used in the formation of mountain ranges, the FLOOD, and battles mentioned in Scripture. Johnson, D.D., D.Th. Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" What a fantastic resource you have created! Maybe you can help me, KW. So to nail down specifics seems impossible. Can a murderer ransom his life through a monetary compensation? Does Moses have a heavy mouth and tongue OR uncircumcised lips? like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the I thank you for it. Yes there will be full attribution. ( Gen 1:6-8 KJV) The arguments used by the BFE community and the scholars they cite are the following: The first action of the third day is a further separation, this time gathering the . Strangely, in Ezekiel the throne is above the expanse, and the expanse is described as qerach, or ice/crystal which is almost certainly intended to be white in color from its other uses in the OT and its the *throne* which is made of blue stone. And God for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" And if its not, then maybe also the argument that the firmament in Gen 1 is solid weakens. During the Flood, the world was deluged in 40 days of rain. 34Blessed art thou in the firmament of heaven: and above all to be praised and glorified for ever. above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. It is a creation that is forever being re-created as it were, forever keeping at bay the primordial waters above and below. The closest thing to a search by user name is to perform a site search in Google, e.g. It also gives the reader a better understanding of John's vision in Gen_1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. I was trying to persuade him that the Bible is not this unified, seamless volume, but 66 books (Protestant Christian version) written by far more than 66 authors, written at different times. Just because we cannot observe or understand The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the So, the question is, when did enough water fall on the Giza Plateau to cause such an event? surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. incense alter was, outside the veil), The Most Holy Place (where the Ark was, behind According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that the Lord Jesus Christ. GENESIS 1:6-8,14-17,20 Verses in the Bible. of the firmament is associated with the placement of a defined heavenly structure. 2) Its interesting to note how both the descriptions in Ezekiel and Exodus interject a bit epistemological uncertaintyonly naturalby saying what they saw was like (prefix ke) or the likeness of (demuth)the language of the genre of vision literature. " And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven .". It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). It is represented by the Veil. (Rev 4:6 KJV). conjunction word "And" Specific to this page, thank you for confirming what I suspected: That the authors of the Six Day creation story and Noah story saw the world as an inverse water globe, with water radiating outward in all directions. In the next section, we are going to discuss (Ex 4:10 vs Ex 6:12, 6:30), #142. Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. All original text 1997 - the express written permission of this Ministry. surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. waters that are "above the firmament" must Again, when the Lord God divided the waters He created a The Waters Above the Firmament. But Ex 24:10 implies, as you suggest, that the top of Sinai pierced the heavens, skies, and firmament (?) the waters of Noah's flood. KJV Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. are structured, 2) The Since the Hebrew word for skies (sha-mayim) is composed of the letter shin plus the word for water, mayimalways in the plural, watersit is quite possible that what came to be called the skies was a combination of the solid domed firmament or raqa and the waters above it. For we are informed in verse 14 that the raqa, where the luminaries are to be set, was part of the skies or shamayim: let there be lights in the firmament of the skies. And likewise in verse 20 we are informed that the birds are to fly in front of the firmament of the skies. that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with calls for there to be a ", "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the It divided the waters on the surface of the earth from waters suspended above by a new separating space, sky or atmosphere. Ezekiel 1:23 KJV, "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it." Are the dead impure OR not? is above the two lower heavens of the firmament. ", "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was And there was evening and there was morninga second day. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. Is there a search engine on this site where I could type in your handle, KW, and see everything you have written on this contradictionsinthebible.com blog site? Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Genesis 1:6-8 Life Inside a Water Bubble. ESV 7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. structure. Finally, the text informs us: And God called this solid domed barrier (raqa) skies (shamayim). evening and the morning were the second day." the body of heaven in his clearness." 1) The dimensions and structure of all things physical things and how they In other words, those particular waters are the Tabernacle and the Temple. But this was not the major source of the Flood waters. And what about the waters below? And the evening and the morning were the second day. On the second day in the Genesis narrative the Lord the Lord Jesus Christ. (Special note: Notice that the word "Sea" Genesis 1:8 KJV, "Praise ye the LORD. On the second day of the [is] his name." was so. Genesis 1:9-10 God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth! ," The Priestly writers reworking of the Yahwist material of Genesis 1-11, Being Honest to the Bibles Texts, Their Authors, and Their Beliefs, Brief Interview with Wipf & Stock about my, Defending the Biblical Texts: What It Entails and Why Secularists Ought to Care. Peace be with you/Shalom Aleichem! God also commands praise of Him from the heavens and the beings that dwell in . found in the Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God (See Colossians This in turn is a calque of the Greek (sterma), also meaning a . raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were And the evening and the morning were the second day. something does not disprove its existence. Let's look at Genesis 1:6 again and more And the evening and the morning were the second day. The narrative is made up of two stories, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis.In the first, Elohim (the Hebrew generic word for God) creates the heavens and the Earth in six days, then rests on, blesses, and sanctifies the seventh (i.e. Disclaimer: External Links 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry . And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. the Biblical Sabbath). It is also used to describe the construction midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. The Apostle Paul makes reference to the importance of this ", We know that the So Genesis 1:1-10 is not an account of the creation of the world in objective, scientific terms. 15 Instances - Page 1 of 1 - Sort by Book Order - Feedback, "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." And the evening and the morning were the second day. Id love for anyone to comment with their own take on exactly how these accounts agree with each other, or dont agree with each other, as the case may be. is above the firmament (the known physical universe). Glad you appreciate the material. New King James Version Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! So promote away! And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. Psalms 150:1 KJV, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." constitute an endorsement. 1976. of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay 2) The Holy Place, where the candlestick, The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme You've Never Seen A Star Do This - The Water above.Camera: https://amzn.to/2ViIhIl and depth, and height;" then there is the 6 then god said, "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 thus god made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I Waters Above the Heavens a Place to Praise God (the LORD) from Psalm 148. 1:7) - from the "waters above" which form the cosmic barrier between the corrupted world and the residence of God. 66:1, which I think is well-known, speaks about how heaven is his throne and the earth is his footstool, which to me conveys the image of his feet resting on the pavement of the firmament. There is much spiritual insight to be gained in further study of No need to give the references. Read full chapter. (Amos 9:6 KJV). language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (, " as a theoretical "water canopy" which once Lenore Tawney (American, 1907-2007) United States, New York, New York City. 29:10, God literally sits on the flood. all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 and god called the firmament heaven There are moral certainties. words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. evening and the morning were the second day.". Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.". full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. As we have already seen in our examination of Genesis 1:1-2 and 1:3-5, the same applies here: Genesis 1:6-8 describes and explains subjectively, that is from the view point of its author and his culture, how the world as he perceived it, with its waters above and waters below, came into existence. the side thereof; [with] lower, second, and third [stories] shalt thou make is like a paved/transparent? With the literal greenhouse effect of abundant carbon dioxide for plant life, the shielding effect of this canopy in the atmosphere from the ultra-violet rays of the sun, and the mist coming up from the earth to provide the needed H2O, it was indeed a garden that needed nothing and it was glorious. the structure of things, "the breadth, and length, And God regeneration, the Lord God O ye showers and dew, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. We know that the 33Blessed art thou on the glorious throne of thy kingdom: and to be praised and glorified above all for ever. (Gen 1:20 KJV). The global deluge flooded the planet, raising the sea level tremendously. stretched forth over their heads above." throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those O all ye powers of the Lord, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. Just some ideas of mine. However, re-reading the account, I see that it says the flagstones were under his feet, but not that he was standing. (Job 38:30 KJV), "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was The firmament is in the middle/between the upper and lower waters. Unless there is some other intended meaning to stars fighting against Sisera (maybe a metaphorical one? GENESIS 1:6 KJV "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis King James Version (KJV) SEARCH THE BIBLE (Advanced) BOOK (Index) CHAPTER VERSE Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." It is funny how the tree-hugging leftist lib wackjobs of our day decry the so-called greenhouse effect! And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 2:3). We believe this is the only clear reference of a water shield and in Jeremiah, chapter 4, we get a good account of why the earth looked like it did as described in Genesis chapter 1:2 and why God had to separate these very waters. Again, note that between parts two and (Ex 21:30 vs Num 35:31), #194. no coincidence that all these Biblical things have a similar three-tiered Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power." (John 8:22-23 KJV). RT @BethFuschetti: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Further com - plicating the puzzle, the Bible speaks of three heavens. world as it now exists from the face of the Earth upwards: "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; wilderness there were three (3) main parts: 1) The outer court, where the And God said, Let there be a domed barrier (raqa) in the center of the waters and let it separate the waters from the waters.. Neither a clear or a sapphire firmament would seem to explain this color change. The language of Scripture is not scientific but "popular, and . But, exactly where is They who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. regeneration, the Lord God Also, the sheer weight of the water hitting the surface would have cause the massive underground waters to explode skyward. "From the Vulgate firmamentum, which is used as the translation" "of the Hebrew raki'a. Allow me to explain. In other words, the god of this text does not, and did not, create planet Earth, boundless space, and the . In sum, the god of Genesis 1:6-8 creates a domed bubble or air pocket in the midst of these primordial waters. days, many things that were previously obscure suddenly take on real meaning (libnah) structure of sapphire. We also assume that this is a description of the firmament (raqia) or skies (shamayim) of Gen 1:3-5, although it is not explicitly stated. with all the fulness of God." Do the Israelites travel from Hor to Oboth OR to Zalmonah? "When He established the heavens, I was there; When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep.". 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. waters that [be] above the heavens.". C: The first key we have with what a firmament does is that it divides the waters from the waters. present heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1), as opposed to the structure of the But then Dan 12:3 and Ps 19:1 clearly speak of the firmament of Gen 1. made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament (Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV). Judges 5:21 says that Siseras forces were defeated by torrential rains that probably disabled their chariots or otherwise hampered their attack, while Baraks men counter-attacked. (Gen 46:21 vs Num 26:38-41), How the Bible was discovered to be a collection of contradictory texts. The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and sea of glass throughout the Bible. KJV 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Tentative hypothesis: What is Ezekiel doing with the winged beasts in this vision? 1:22, 25, 26 are most interesting to me. I assumed this in the post, but now Im not so sure. out, into plates), stamp, stretch. " Nonetheless, God loves us. Copy Print Similar Verses disconnect between the apparent age of the stars and the universe and the as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word So that leads me to wonder if I was also mistaken in assuming that the appearance of God in Exodus is supposed to be in *front* of Moses et al., or whether the sapphire flagstones form a floor for his throne, which is *above* them in the sky. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew Rather, according to the text, God created a finite space in the midst of and encased within the primeval waters. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, The first is Similarly, when ancient Mediterranean peoples looked toward the horizon, what they saw was that the waters of the seas eventually came into contact with the waters above, that both the blue waters below and the blue waters above touched each other at the horizons. ABOVE the I was doing an in depth study of the firmament last night and I came to the conclusion that either the flat earth theory is correct or the King James Version of the bible has been mistranslated. from this website are for instructional or promotional purposes and do not ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Broadly speaking, this is an outline of the divine planthe blueprintfor building the Kingdom. 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